QuestGC
01-06 12:24 AM
Folks,
I do not think, the video of 9 minutes covered everything that speaker was presenting. It is not fair to judge or even compare the educational systems of India, China and US.
I guess if you listen carefully and understand what he is trying to say..
India produces - 350K engineers
China -- 600K...
US - 70K Engineers..
This is as per a research done and he was referring to the research done. What he is suggesting is, it is not fair to compare here because In China, every one with diploma is an engineer and all that.
Coming to India, MNCs have already said, current crop of majority of engineers are not employable. They are trained by so called MNCs because it is inexpensive to do so..
The US produces approximately 70K, but they are quality engineers (something to that effect).
Bottomline, why do people want Indians or chinese, because they work hard.
He was also telling some stories about how china is investing and providing tax breaks/investments (JVs) to companies to start R & D in China..
In the end, he was outlining the power of legal immigration and need to provide permanent residencies otherwise they become US competitors from India/china..
I think, before concluding one way or other, friends, please try to get the complete picture. I dont think we have complete information covered in the Video.
Indian culture, heritage 5000 years old. Indian education is gift of britishers, hence needs some adjustments to suit the current global competition.
At the same time US has its flaws too, but either try to deal with it or perish.
The power to change or transform is in our (Individual) hands..Every one has a choice. You choose - win some and lose some -- and die one day with nothing. This is life.
Thanks and Regards
I do not think, the video of 9 minutes covered everything that speaker was presenting. It is not fair to judge or even compare the educational systems of India, China and US.
I guess if you listen carefully and understand what he is trying to say..
India produces - 350K engineers
China -- 600K...
US - 70K Engineers..
This is as per a research done and he was referring to the research done. What he is suggesting is, it is not fair to compare here because In China, every one with diploma is an engineer and all that.
Coming to India, MNCs have already said, current crop of majority of engineers are not employable. They are trained by so called MNCs because it is inexpensive to do so..
The US produces approximately 70K, but they are quality engineers (something to that effect).
Bottomline, why do people want Indians or chinese, because they work hard.
He was also telling some stories about how china is investing and providing tax breaks/investments (JVs) to companies to start R & D in China..
In the end, he was outlining the power of legal immigration and need to provide permanent residencies otherwise they become US competitors from India/china..
I think, before concluding one way or other, friends, please try to get the complete picture. I dont think we have complete information covered in the Video.
Indian culture, heritage 5000 years old. Indian education is gift of britishers, hence needs some adjustments to suit the current global competition.
At the same time US has its flaws too, but either try to deal with it or perish.
The power to change or transform is in our (Individual) hands..Every one has a choice. You choose - win some and lose some -- and die one day with nothing. This is life.
Thanks and Regards
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rameshk75
05-22 03:31 PM
People are very busy since morning looking for a positive news regarding the amendments..there is no time to contribute !!
IV members, try to contribute otherwise nothing will happen without lobbying !!
IV members, try to contribute otherwise nothing will happen without lobbying !!
pappu
09-09 11:20 PM
Just made an online contribution through my banks bill pay for $150.00. My handle should be part of the memo.
On a more important note:
WHY is the "Contact us" link SO hard to find?? I was required to put in the IV phone number and it took me more than 10 mins to find it. I highly suggest that the administrators put the contact link on the homepage itself.
Thanks for the contribution.
Contact us link is on every page at the top.
On a more important note:
WHY is the "Contact us" link SO hard to find?? I was required to put in the IV phone number and it took me more than 10 mins to find it. I highly suggest that the administrators put the contact link on the homepage itself.
Thanks for the contribution.
Contact us link is on every page at the top.
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McLuvin
04-12 01:58 PM
What's happening with the PERM approval guys??
No approval off late... Its going in a snail pace since the last 10-20 days
BR,
McLuvin
No approval off late... Its going in a snail pace since the last 10-20 days
BR,
McLuvin
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ashismaity
03-10 02:28 PM
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/
March 10 11:00The Immigration Debate
Some activists believe the U.S. needs a fence along the entire U.S.-Mexico border. Diane talks with her guests about this idea and other proposals from Congress in the latest round of the immigration debate.
Guests
Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies
Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum
Colin Hanna, president of Let Freedom Ring. Let Freedom Ring is the parent organization for www.WeNeedAFence.com
March 10 11:00The Immigration Debate
Some activists believe the U.S. needs a fence along the entire U.S.-Mexico border. Diane talks with her guests about this idea and other proposals from Congress in the latest round of the immigration debate.
Guests
Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies
Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum
Colin Hanna, president of Let Freedom Ring. Let Freedom Ring is the parent organization for www.WeNeedAFence.com
msp1976
01-10 03:14 PM
Interesting comment.....
I am going back in a few years!..this in Bhoga Bhumi(Land of material pleasures)...my land Bharath is Punya Bhommi(Land of Good Karma).I am heading home no matter what!
I think as much punya is done in this country as there is a quest of bhoga
Every one says that they are going back in a few years...I am yet to meet someone who says they would not go back no matter what...
I am going back in a few years!..this in Bhoga Bhumi(Land of material pleasures)...my land Bharath is Punya Bhommi(Land of Good Karma).I am heading home no matter what!
I think as much punya is done in this country as there is a quest of bhoga
Every one says that they are going back in a few years...I am yet to meet someone who says they would not go back no matter what...
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superbabu
09-10 09:58 PM
how short are we from 30k?.
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vbkris77
02-24 12:14 PM
With US becoming in-tolerant to Legal immigration, Australia moving to toughen rules, BNP winning seats in UK, Singapore curtailing immigration, India denying visas and the list continues..
It is clearly the order of the day.. We human beings forgot that it is basic human right to immigrate as recognized by UN. We are on verge of becoming herding animals if not more restricted.
I hope things change. But I think it is going to change by the time most people don't care anymore about immigrating.
I have seen/heard of Indian elite university students declining US offers just to avoid immigration headaches.. My close friends back in India are kind of joking about those waiting in the line just to get the papers filed to move to any other country than India.
This year H1B quota is an eye opener. I think the trend continues next year and year after.
But most of the times, all governments realize about the ground reality only in the end when the damage is made, not when it started.
Such thing can never happen. Also, don't lose hope. Look at how the world was before. Slavery, racism, castiesm, untouchability, intolerance, poverty etc.... it has always been a struggle to navigate through all these barriers and we are still navigating.
Basically the attitude is "when my house is burning why should I accomodate these people" - it is how the world is and we have to navigate.
It is clearly the order of the day.. We human beings forgot that it is basic human right to immigrate as recognized by UN. We are on verge of becoming herding animals if not more restricted.
I hope things change. But I think it is going to change by the time most people don't care anymore about immigrating.
I have seen/heard of Indian elite university students declining US offers just to avoid immigration headaches.. My close friends back in India are kind of joking about those waiting in the line just to get the papers filed to move to any other country than India.
This year H1B quota is an eye opener. I think the trend continues next year and year after.
But most of the times, all governments realize about the ground reality only in the end when the damage is made, not when it started.
Such thing can never happen. Also, don't lose hope. Look at how the world was before. Slavery, racism, castiesm, untouchability, intolerance, poverty etc.... it has always been a struggle to navigate through all these barriers and we are still navigating.
Basically the attitude is "when my house is burning why should I accomodate these people" - it is how the world is and we have to navigate.
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husker
07-19 11:41 AM
People, since Aman and lets not forget other core members also (who I am sure have racked up a lot of out of pocket cost) we as a community should gather funds for administrative cost also. GC is not just Aman's/ pappu/logiclife and others core member's dream...its OUR dream, and its not fair that in spite of knowing the time and money spent by the core members we donot share the burden.
So here is what I am thinking, there are 21000+ members of which I think 10,000 can be considered the real people (I am sure there are more..but a real conservative estimate) if we all pitch in $10 for administrative cost I think it would not put any dent in our pockets and this collective effort would not create a financial burden on any of the core members.
Any thoughts!
So here is what I am thinking, there are 21000+ members of which I think 10,000 can be considered the real people (I am sure there are more..but a real conservative estimate) if we all pitch in $10 for administrative cost I think it would not put any dent in our pockets and this collective effort would not create a financial burden on any of the core members.
Any thoughts!
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sunty
09-13 04:27 PM
1) Pardon me for being a fence sitter till now.......I did take part in flower campaign etc..but I don't know what happened to me after that...I just stoped caring about this whole GC thing, even though I have filed 485 etc...I know it's gonna take a long long time to get it....but enough of depressing thoughts...nothing can be achieved being depressed...so here I go...
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gsthantry
07-20 09:24 AM
Thanks IV
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GCard_Dream
09-10 01:00 PM
The discrepancy is due to the fact that you are looking at visa bulletin from 2 different month. The bulletin on State department's website is for September and the one on Mumbai consulate's website is supposed to be for October.
Please help me understand this:
The Dept. of State's web site has the visa bulletin for SEpt 2008 as:
EB INDIA
--------------------
1st C
2nd 01AUG06
3rd U
And the US Consulate's web site at Mumbai has:
EB INDIA
------------
E1 Current
E2 1 April 2003
So, how come Consulates got the latest information? Why not post this on the DOS page too by the DOS?
I am so sick and tired of this whole process of GC. I am starting to question myself if this entire process of wait, is worth at all? If you are illegal, you are free in this country, if you are legal they scrutiny your papers with a microscope....I am sick, totally sick. There is a limit to patience, too.:mad::mad::mad:
Please help me understand this:
The Dept. of State's web site has the visa bulletin for SEpt 2008 as:
EB INDIA
--------------------
1st C
2nd 01AUG06
3rd U
And the US Consulate's web site at Mumbai has:
EB INDIA
------------
E1 Current
E2 1 April 2003
So, how come Consulates got the latest information? Why not post this on the DOS page too by the DOS?
I am so sick and tired of this whole process of GC. I am starting to question myself if this entire process of wait, is worth at all? If you are illegal, you are free in this country, if you are legal they scrutiny your papers with a microscope....I am sick, totally sick. There is a limit to patience, too.:mad::mad::mad:
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diptam
07-06 02:35 PM
More important is the last 48 hrs where they processed 25000 cases
AT-WILL.
Ohh this guy has a good first name - 485 granted.
Ohh this guy married twice,needs money - 485 granted.
Ooh this girl doesnt look good - 485 denied.
Ooh this girl has excellent looks - 485 granted.
Ooh This couple stayed EUROPE not so loyal - 485 denied.
and so on and so forth....
They were/are so busy approving cases that they donot have time to update the message. Everyone from Janitors to Execs have been working for the last week to approve those 66K cases.
AT-WILL.
Ohh this guy has a good first name - 485 granted.
Ohh this guy married twice,needs money - 485 granted.
Ooh this girl doesnt look good - 485 denied.
Ooh this girl has excellent looks - 485 granted.
Ooh This couple stayed EUROPE not so loyal - 485 denied.
and so on and so forth....
They were/are so busy approving cases that they donot have time to update the message. Everyone from Janitors to Execs have been working for the last week to approve those 66K cases.
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nogc_noproblem
07-11 01:30 PM
In order to avoid visa wastage, there is no ‘per country limit’ during the last quarter, that could be the main reason for this quantum leap in EB2-I PD movement.
Looks like DOS was not clear about the number of pending cases until a month ago and that’s why this movement was not happened last month - July, which was the first month in last quarter.
There could be two reasons for this huge forward movement for EB2.
1) They want to minimize wastage by making more visas available for CP.
2) There was some heartburn among EB2 China applicants when their PD was set to April 2004. Since there are a lot more EB2 India applicants with PD's earlier than that, they felt that most of the EB2-ROW spillover would go to India. Moving the dates forward to 2006 would ensure that EB2 China gets a decent share of the spillover.
Although this is unfair to folks with earlier PD's and is sure to cause a lot of heartburn, I would rather see the visas get used than get wasted again. Looks like the USCIS is setting a pattern of giving a year end bonanza to a few fortunate folks. Let the annual sweepstakes begin! Good luck everyone!!
Looks like DOS was not clear about the number of pending cases until a month ago and that’s why this movement was not happened last month - July, which was the first month in last quarter.
There could be two reasons for this huge forward movement for EB2.
1) They want to minimize wastage by making more visas available for CP.
2) There was some heartburn among EB2 China applicants when their PD was set to April 2004. Since there are a lot more EB2 India applicants with PD's earlier than that, they felt that most of the EB2-ROW spillover would go to India. Moving the dates forward to 2006 would ensure that EB2 China gets a decent share of the spillover.
Although this is unfair to folks with earlier PD's and is sure to cause a lot of heartburn, I would rather see the visas get used than get wasted again. Looks like the USCIS is setting a pattern of giving a year end bonanza to a few fortunate folks. Let the annual sweepstakes begin! Good luck everyone!!
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09-13 01:34 AM
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SDdesi
08-12 12:32 PM
They could have done this and re-captured visas with additional fees or whatever. And called it greencard fraud fees it that makes them happy. But the fact is they did not want to do anything to give relief to Immigrants. Recapture (hundreds of thousands of visas) would have significantly helped helped retrogressed countries like EB3 India, China, ROW and EB2 India China. They can take additional fees as long as we know the recapture is being done.
Just looking at the employment based inventory statistics, if every applicant were charged $2000 for visa recapture, it is close to $400M for uncle sam. All EB backlogs would be eliminated, new immigrants would continue contributing to Social security, pay taxes, buy new homes, invest etc... Cant they see the potential upside to this?
Just looking at the employment based inventory statistics, if every applicant were charged $2000 for visa recapture, it is close to $400M for uncle sam. All EB backlogs would be eliminated, new immigrants would continue contributing to Social security, pay taxes, buy new homes, invest etc... Cant they see the potential upside to this?
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Hassan11
07-20 03:14 PM
I believe the majority ofthe IV members are from Indian origins. they should contact the Indian community that donated money to Hilary and ask why she voted against legal immigrants. she is preparing for her election compaign. I am sure she will answer or at least she will know that we are following her votes against us.
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Lest contact USINPAC!!!!!!!
Lest see what they can do...
COME ON GUYS AND GIRLS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW
Lest contact USINPAC!!!!!!!
Lest see what they can do...
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amslonewolf
08-13 05:27 PM
EB3 from June 2008 bulletin
All Charge-ability Areas -1-Mar-06
China - 22-Mar-03
India - 1-Nov-01
Mexico - 1-Jul-02
Philippines - 1-Mar-06
September 2008 bulletin -Comment
D. VISA AVAILABILITY FOR OCTOBER
The Mexico F2A and Employment Third preference cut-off dates are “unavailable” for both August and September, since those FY-2008 annual limits have been reached. The Visa Office had originally anticipated that this would be a temporary situation. Then with the start of the new fiscal year in October the cut-off dates would have returned to those which had applied during June. However, continued heavy demand in those categories may require the establishment of cut-off dates which are earlier than those which had applied in June. A formal decision determination of the October cut-off dates will not be possible until early September.
My take on this is that there might be some balancing act across the EB3-Sub categories. If you notice in the June 2008 dates, there is a huge discrepancy in the EB3- Sub categories.
For example, Philippines is 1-Mar-06 and India is 1-Nov-01.
Who knows, they might move back the EB3- Philippines/ROW and move forward (or leave it on 1-NOV-01) the EB3-India dates.. This is a possibility from the text of the September 2008 bulletin. So, it's not all gloom and doom for EB3 Categories..
All Charge-ability Areas -1-Mar-06
China - 22-Mar-03
India - 1-Nov-01
Mexico - 1-Jul-02
Philippines - 1-Mar-06
September 2008 bulletin -Comment
D. VISA AVAILABILITY FOR OCTOBER
The Mexico F2A and Employment Third preference cut-off dates are “unavailable” for both August and September, since those FY-2008 annual limits have been reached. The Visa Office had originally anticipated that this would be a temporary situation. Then with the start of the new fiscal year in October the cut-off dates would have returned to those which had applied during June. However, continued heavy demand in those categories may require the establishment of cut-off dates which are earlier than those which had applied in June. A formal decision determination of the October cut-off dates will not be possible until early September.
My take on this is that there might be some balancing act across the EB3-Sub categories. If you notice in the June 2008 dates, there is a huge discrepancy in the EB3- Sub categories.
For example, Philippines is 1-Mar-06 and India is 1-Nov-01.
Who knows, they might move back the EB3- Philippines/ROW and move forward (or leave it on 1-NOV-01) the EB3-India dates.. This is a possibility from the text of the September 2008 bulletin. So, it's not all gloom and doom for EB3 Categories..
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chi_shark
06-11 12:56 AM
if the orignial post on this thread is really true, then eb2/eb3 india/china with p.d. older newer than 2002 should basically pack whatever they have so far and leave... is that a fair reading? does anyone care to ammend my statement to perhaps "newer than 2003 [or 2005]"?
At least this clears up any hopes from future Visa Bulletins. What's next?
At least this clears up any hopes from future Visa Bulletins. What's next?
santb1975
05-24 10:30 PM
We are talking about HR 5882,5921 and 6039. Very few people are working very hard to take all of us a step ahead with the GC process and we have lots of hope and we also have direction. Please check with your state chapter lead for latest updates.
Which bills are you talking about? I read most were dropped from Iraq funding bill that passed recently.
We are just drifting my friend..no direction..no hope....
Which bills are you talking about? I read most were dropped from Iraq funding bill that passed recently.
We are just drifting my friend..no direction..no hope....
Saburi
03-09 03:34 PM
Hello Friends:
As i was expecting, this happened exactly like that its nothing to be shocked of when some thing does not move for 4 months in a row for EB3 I then what do you expect to get this move so fast looking at the patern right now i think the next month and for the next 3 months atleast it will be the same dates and if we are lucky then it might move and be Dec 2001 after few months.
My PD is Dec 2001 6th Dec 2001 to be very exact so may be after Jul 2009 my PD will be current but look at people who are EB3 I and thier PD is 2003 to 2007 forget about GC this 10 years, unless there is a big releaf given by Mr. Change (Obama) which is unlikely to happen atleast for 2 years from now as he has lot of other important issues to resolve such as terrorisim, Economy, and much more bigger issues.
The only way we can make somebody look at us is having a big protest on the streets of Washington DC and doing some massive campaign such as writing to Obama, just imagine if every one of us writes to Obama about our pain there will be atleast 500000 letters or email he might be receiving with a big rally in Washington, this might make this look like a big problem for everybody even Mr Chnage will have to pay attention to this we are not asking for amnesty or favaouring Illegal immigration and i am sure every body will agree or atleast won't dis agree to the fact of our demands to get more visas or atleast have the recaptured visa make available for EB3 I.
I am not a big time voluntier or have participate in any rallies so far but would not mind to do if this could resolve everybody's problem, as mentioned above my PD is Dec 2001 and would be very soon out of this atleast would not have to wait for years and years for this PD to be current but the cause of doing this is once i get my GC i will be not visiting this site more frequently, and the number people in this forum will be far lesser that what we are now, atleast 500000 people.
If this does not sound a good advice please excuse me but if this does sounds good please if somebody can draft a letters and post it so everybody can email this to the president.
And please do not ask me for any contribution finialcailly as i am broke and tring to recover from my debts, finally have got a secured job but since its a bad economy not getting paid much that i can contribute any dollars towards this nobel cause.
As mentioned earlier please forgive me if this sounds too lenghty and stupid to even read this.
As i was expecting, this happened exactly like that its nothing to be shocked of when some thing does not move for 4 months in a row for EB3 I then what do you expect to get this move so fast looking at the patern right now i think the next month and for the next 3 months atleast it will be the same dates and if we are lucky then it might move and be Dec 2001 after few months.
My PD is Dec 2001 6th Dec 2001 to be very exact so may be after Jul 2009 my PD will be current but look at people who are EB3 I and thier PD is 2003 to 2007 forget about GC this 10 years, unless there is a big releaf given by Mr. Change (Obama) which is unlikely to happen atleast for 2 years from now as he has lot of other important issues to resolve such as terrorisim, Economy, and much more bigger issues.
The only way we can make somebody look at us is having a big protest on the streets of Washington DC and doing some massive campaign such as writing to Obama, just imagine if every one of us writes to Obama about our pain there will be atleast 500000 letters or email he might be receiving with a big rally in Washington, this might make this look like a big problem for everybody even Mr Chnage will have to pay attention to this we are not asking for amnesty or favaouring Illegal immigration and i am sure every body will agree or atleast won't dis agree to the fact of our demands to get more visas or atleast have the recaptured visa make available for EB3 I.
I am not a big time voluntier or have participate in any rallies so far but would not mind to do if this could resolve everybody's problem, as mentioned above my PD is Dec 2001 and would be very soon out of this atleast would not have to wait for years and years for this PD to be current but the cause of doing this is once i get my GC i will be not visiting this site more frequently, and the number people in this forum will be far lesser that what we are now, atleast 500000 people.
If this does not sound a good advice please excuse me but if this does sounds good please if somebody can draft a letters and post it so everybody can email this to the president.
And please do not ask me for any contribution finialcailly as i am broke and tring to recover from my debts, finally have got a secured job but since its a bad economy not getting paid much that i can contribute any dollars towards this nobel cause.
As mentioned earlier please forgive me if this sounds too lenghty and stupid to even read this.
